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Postby blacksheep-1 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:51 pm

there's nothing like the smell of a brand new car..

$250 with title, no running gear

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parts car...free with destroyed front end..if anyone needs spares, please let me know before it goes away..

there's nothing like getting in touch with your inner redneck like tearing down a free parts car by the light of a rubbish fire
the fact that it's up on blocks adds to that white trash savoir faire..

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The parts car was agreat find, got the spindles I need , plus a limited slip diff..

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Postby blacksheep-1 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:04 pm

So the freebie car was a big success having scored an limited slip and a set of ventilated rear discs plus a bunch of misc stuff that I'll need. Back in the day, I scored a Torsen and a 4.5 gear.. I've been sitting on it for awhile, now it will finally be put to use.
I tore down the diff and purchased new axles in 31 spline ( the old ones were shot anyway), they came with bearing s and studs for $200 , Located the rear end cover with the bearing support $75, misc bearing and seals $50 plus some suspension parts from Speedway for fabbing up a panhard bar..$125
So I have $450 in the diff so far..

Setting up the used 4.50 gears..it's been awhile so it took forever
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Installing bearings with the correct size piece of exhaust pipe and maximum force adjustment tool
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Aviation Permatex..what would life be with out this stuff? frezze plugs, seals, awesome...
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Pressed the studs into the 31 spline axles...
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Installed the axles and...cover..
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Slap on the discs and the bead blasted parts and..adjust the bearing cap pre load...done
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Postby Loren » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:11 pm

Somebody's keeping busy.

Shorter gears than a 1.6 Miata.
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Postby Native » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:36 am

Maximum force adjustment tool... :-D
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Postby blacksheep-1 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:10 pm

PHB came in from Speedway engineering..

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Postby twistedwankel » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:56 pm

"Rob's Garage" sounds like a great name for your builds. Leno doesn't do any wrenching - you do it all. Impressive.
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Postby blacksheep-1 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:30 pm

OK, so..while waiting for parts I decided to start the carnage..removed almost everything from the back of the car down to the frame rails, the rear bumper support will stay for now so I can push it around, but it too will be saying goodbye.

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While the sawz all cools down I pulled out a set of rear springs for a 98 mustang GT..there were 2 schools of thought when I was growing up, Dick Guldstrand, who always wanted all the parts to work together in total harmony..and Herb Adams, Adams was kind of..screw this, run the lightest springs possible to follow the track, then tune it with shocks and sway bars..I've always been a fan of the Adams approach..

In any case, a set of cut down springs, beveled for the perches.

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Postby Loren » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:15 pm

You are SUCH a bad influence on me.
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Postby blacksheep-1 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:15 pm

Scraping undercoating and sound deadener..must be what hell is like...

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Postby blacksheep-1 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:34 pm

Weight jackers have arrived..

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Postby Loren » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:36 pm

Soooo... for those of us non-Mustang types. What are weight jackers? Where do they go? What do they do?

Pictures are cool, and all... but, inquiring minds want to know!
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Postby blacksheep-1 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:18 pm

They replace the rear lower control arms...that what mustang guys call them, in real terms they would be known as trailing arms, I was going to fab up some stock ones, but in the end it was cheaper to buy these than deal with the aggravation, these were $275ish. If you look closely you will see a threaded rod going through the center of the arm, there is a 1/2 inch drive in there that you can crank on, raising or lowering the car. the spring sits on the perch on the other side. I will create another pic...stand by

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Postby blacksheep-1 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:28 pm

OK here's the close up of the trailing arms..
Stock vs aftermarket
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A close up of the adjuster screw from the bottom
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the rather blurred image of the adjuster and the grease fitting.
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Postby Loren » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:30 pm

Oh, okay. Now I see what's what! :thumbwink:
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Postby twistedwankel » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:31 pm

Rob,

If you still need a name for your project?

If it's SSA cost effective? Or covered by Medicare? Or totally sponsored?

"The Mayor's Last Ford".
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Postby blacksheep-1 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:21 am

Yep, but I'm afraid to ask...lol
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Postby blacksheep-1 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:28 pm

So here;s the crux of the issue with foxbody mustangs..the lower control arms are relatively parallel, however, the uppers are used not only to locate the diff front and rear, but side to side as well. Whenever you ask something to do two things, it never bodes well, in this case, especially once the car is lowered from the factory ride height, you will have 2 competing arcs..fighting each other, trying to keep the diff centered, This is why fox body cars go into snap oversteer on corner exit. Those opposing arcs are desperately trying to find center. If you make the mistake of adding a panhard bar to this cluster, you now have a 3rd conflicting arc, working against the 2 conflicting arcs that already exists, At this point you might as well weld the diff up solid. It is the opposite of having a "free" suspension, it is bound up in almost any direction.

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We do however..have the answer to this..the redneck 3 link...
Locate a 1/2 x 1/2 Heim end, now this particular one is from a hardware store DO NOT use a Heim like this one, the real deal Aurora rod end is coming, I'm just using this to dummy up the install for now.

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Once you mock everything up, I cut a spare upper arm, found some metal stock, drilled a hole in it, using grade 8 bolts..welded it all up..on the end of the discarded upper (trailing arm) control arm..

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the somewhat finished product..

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Postby blacksheep-1 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:36 pm

This is how the stock and modified arms should look..the idea here is to completely remove the ability of the upper arm to do anything, except exert force in only 1 direction..you can now also adjust pinion angle..although you will have to remove the through bolt on the swivel end of the Heim to do it.

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With regards to the bushing end that goes into the differential, I scored some swivel type machined bushings for that,

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Installed on the diff end

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Postby blacksheep-1 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:43 pm

So this is the redneck 3 link in it's finished form.again, that particular Heim is going to be changed out for an Aurora end..

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so we install the lower control (trailing) arms with the weight jackers..

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and with the installation of the panhard bar, we have now effectively destroyed any semblance of what the original Ford engineers had in mind....but we now have a rear suspension that is completely free of bind and that you can actually adjust,

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Postby blacksheep-1 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:41 pm

So far the running totals are
Car.......................$250
Diff ......................$450
lower arms............$275
Spherical ends.........$75
misc etc..................$50
we've hit the $1K mark

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